diff --git a/src/BizHawk.Client.Common/DisplayManager/IWindowCoordsTransformer.cs b/src/BizHawk.Client.Common/DisplayManager/IWindowCoordsTransformer.cs
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..8a05772c12
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/BizHawk.Client.Common/DisplayManager/IWindowCoordsTransformer.cs
@@ -0,0 +1,17 @@
+using System.Drawing;
+
+namespace BizHawk.Client.Common
+{
+	public interface IWindowCoordsTransformer
+	{
+		(int Left, int Top, int Right, int Bottom) ClientExtraPadding { get; set; }
+
+		(int Left, int Top, int Right, int Bottom) GameExtraPadding { get; set; }
+
+		Size GetPanelNativeSize();
+
+		Point TransformPoint(Point p);
+
+		Point UntransformPoint(Point p);
+	}
+}
diff --git a/src/BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk/Api/Libraries/EmuClientApi.cs b/src/BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk/Api/Libraries/EmuClientApi.cs
index 2fa649066c..9a6775522d 100644
--- a/src/BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk/Api/Libraries/EmuClientApi.cs
+++ b/src/BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk/Api/Libraries/EmuClientApi.cs
@@ -4,7 +4,6 @@ using System.Drawing;
 using System.IO;
 using System.Linq;
 using System.Threading.Tasks;
-using System.Windows.Forms;
 
 using BizHawk.Client.Common;
 using BizHawk.Common;
@@ -265,13 +264,13 @@ namespace BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk
 
 		public void SetClientExtraPadding(int left, int top, int right, int bottom)
 		{
-			_displayManager.ClientExtraPadding = new Padding(left, top, right, bottom);
+			_displayManager.ClientExtraPadding = (left, top, right, bottom);
 			_mainForm.FrameBufferResized();
 		}
 
 		public void SetGameExtraPadding(int left, int top, int right, int bottom)
 		{
-			_displayManager.GameExtraPadding = new Padding(left, top, right, bottom);
+			_displayManager.GameExtraPadding = (left, top, right, bottom);
 			_mainForm.FrameBufferResized();
 		}
 
diff --git a/src/BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk/DisplayManager/DisplayManager.cs b/src/BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk/DisplayManager/DisplayManager.cs
index 0231417195..286761aee9 100644
--- a/src/BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk/DisplayManager/DisplayManager.cs
+++ b/src/BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk/DisplayManager/DisplayManager.cs
@@ -30,7 +30,7 @@ namespace BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk
 	/// Its job is to receive OSD and emulator outputs, and produce one single buffer (BitmapBuffer? Texture2d?) for display by the PresentationPanel.
 	/// Details TBD
 	/// </summary>
-	public class DisplayManager : IDisposable
+	public class DisplayManager : IWindowCoordsTransformer, IDisposable
 	{
 		private class DisplayManagerRenderTargetProvider : IRenderTargetProvider
 		{
@@ -189,15 +189,27 @@ namespace BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk
 		/// </summary>
 		private int _currEmuWidth, _currEmuHeight;
 
+		private Padding _clientExtraPadding;
+
+		private Padding _gameExtraPadding;
+
 		/// <summary>
 		/// additional pixels added at the unscaled level for the use of lua drawing. essentially increases the input video provider dimensions
 		/// </summary>
-		public Padding GameExtraPadding { get; set; }
+		public (int Left, int Top, int Right, int Bottom) GameExtraPadding
+		{
+			get => (_gameExtraPadding.Left, _gameExtraPadding.Top, _gameExtraPadding.Right, _gameExtraPadding.Bottom);
+			set => _gameExtraPadding = new Padding(value.Left, value.Top, value.Right, value.Bottom);
+		}
 
 		/// <summary>
 		/// additional pixels added at the native level for the use of lua drawing. essentially just gets tacked onto the final calculated window sizes.
 		/// </summary>
-		public Padding ClientExtraPadding { get; set; }
+		public (int Left, int Top, int Right, int Bottom) ClientExtraPadding
+		{
+			get => (_clientExtraPadding.Left, _clientExtraPadding.Top, _clientExtraPadding.Right, _clientExtraPadding.Bottom);
+			set => _clientExtraPadding = new Padding(value.Left, value.Top, value.Right, value.Bottom);
+		}
 
 		/// <summary>
 		/// custom fonts that don't need to be installed on the user side
@@ -227,7 +239,7 @@ namespace BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk
 
 			if (user)
 			{
-				padding += GameExtraPadding;
+				padding += _gameExtraPadding;
 			}
 
 			// an experimental feature
@@ -461,7 +473,7 @@ namespace BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk
 			return new Point((int)v.X, (int)v.Y);
 		}
 
-		internal Size GetPanelNativeSize() => _presentationPanel.NativeSize;
+		public Size GetPanelNativeSize() => _presentationPanel.NativeSize;
 
 		/// <summary>
 		/// This will receive an emulated output frame from an IVideoProvider and run it through the complete frame processing pipeline
@@ -719,8 +731,8 @@ namespace BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk
 				chainOutsize = new Size(bufferWidth * zoom, bufferHeight * zoom);
 			}
 
-			chainOutsize.Width += ClientExtraPadding.Horizontal;
-			chainOutsize.Height += ClientExtraPadding.Vertical;
+			chainOutsize.Width += _clientExtraPadding.Horizontal;
+			chainOutsize.Height += _clientExtraPadding.Vertical;
 
 			var job = new JobInfo
 			{
@@ -1104,16 +1116,16 @@ namespace BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk
 			int currNativeWidth = _presentationPanel.NativeSize.Width;
 			int currNativeHeight = _presentationPanel.NativeSize.Height;
 
-			currNativeWidth += ClientExtraPadding.Horizontal;
-			currNativeHeight += ClientExtraPadding.Vertical;
+			currNativeWidth += _clientExtraPadding.Horizontal;
+			currNativeHeight += _clientExtraPadding.Vertical;
 
 			int width,height;
 			if (name == "emu")
 			{
 				width = _currEmuWidth;
 				height = _currEmuHeight;
-				width += GameExtraPadding.Horizontal;
-				height += GameExtraPadding.Vertical;
+				width += _gameExtraPadding.Horizontal;
+				height += _gameExtraPadding.Vertical;
 			}
 			else if (name == "native")
 			{
diff --git a/src/BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk/tools/Lua/LuaConsole.cs b/src/BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk/tools/Lua/LuaConsole.cs
index 968db1c4b0..506ec4d947 100644
--- a/src/BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk/tools/Lua/LuaConsole.cs
+++ b/src/BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk/tools/Lua/LuaConsole.cs
@@ -122,15 +122,15 @@ namespace BizHawk.Client.EmuHawk
 					
 					DisplayManager.ClearLuaSurfaces();
 
-					if (DisplayManager.ClientExtraPadding != Padding.Empty)
+					if (DisplayManager.ClientExtraPadding != (0, 0, 0, 0))
 					{
-						DisplayManager.ClientExtraPadding = new Padding(0);
+						DisplayManager.ClientExtraPadding = (0, 0, 0, 0);
 						MainForm.FrameBufferResized();
 					}
 
-					if (DisplayManager.GameExtraPadding != Padding.Empty)
+					if (DisplayManager.GameExtraPadding != (0, 0, 0, 0))
 					{
-						DisplayManager.GameExtraPadding = new Padding(0);
+						DisplayManager.GameExtraPadding = (0, 0, 0, 0);
 						MainForm.FrameBufferResized();
 					}